dennisvo wrote:Then there's the incident where he is remote viewing Luna and is discovered by some kind of security guards it seems. He then tells Axelrod that it seemed as if they sensed some kind of presence, rather than seeing (or feeling) him personally. What is this about? I've read other stories about remote viewers being detected when viewing secret facilities. How is this done?

simple. and obvious. the same meta- senses that remote view are used. A piece of your awareness, your focus, your sense of self goes wherever you focus it. most people are sloppy and undisciplined, but with a bit of focused attention, anyone can do this. anyone with a bit of meta- awareness can feel your presence.

an easy to understand example is that when you look intensely at someone a bit of your "focus" goes out and touches them, explores them. Anyone paying attention will feel it. The hair on the back of the neck feeling -- the phylogenetic memories of being prey -- alert us to being stared at. In that is both the remote sensing experience and the detection of it.

++ Angel

dennisvo wrote:The biggest question I have is: what kind of phenomenon is remote viewing? Is is the same as astral travel?

Read any of the early work coming out of the SRI, or most anything written on "removte viewing" and you will quickly learn that the name is deeply misleading. It was made up by politicos and not practitioners.

** It's NOT astral travel. AT is either extremely easy (done in dreams, by pets, etc) when it's an innate skill or extremely complex. It's possible for some to learn it, but it can be quite difficult to master. I attended a course in the Berkeley Psychic Institute where the woman teaching said she regularly used it to watch the guy next door in the shower. If you can learn it, it's potentially fun, useful, even profitable. imagine themoney you could make in corporate espionage. Or the white hat side, you could reveal the secrets of the "bad guys."

** It's quite easy. in a sense we do it every day.

** It's a skill taught in ELFpath under the name of the Left-Right exercise.

** It's more about imagination than "seeing."

How's it work?

Usually two people work together. One the Left and one the Right.

The Right will get into a deep alpha, almost childish, imaginal state.

The Left will give a direction or ask a question like "Go to the moon." or "What do you smell?"

The Right will give an intuitive impression.

The Left will ask another question or give another direction.

Rinse and repeat. You'll note that actually traveling there and seeing things are not that important. It's all just untuitive scanning.

Theory? The underlying theory is the same as that of the LR ex. I sense that everything is connected to other things at a meta- level. Like you have a connection to your grade-school, a favorite teacher, your boss, your mom. If I can scan you, I can follow the link to your mom. In fact, I can find my way to anything, because it's all connected to something else. I may have to navigate several steps, but it's do-able.


In short, it's not remote viewing at all, but remote scanning, or remote intuitive imaginal sensing, shaped and guided by a Left/Right approach.


++ Angel

Ah -- I didn't realise those were the same things. Though looking back, pretty much what I explained. Albeit with your version being much simpler. Kinda assumed they were different techniques, but basically anyone who's got a grasp on both scanning and L/R pretty much does this daily, huh.

Perhaps you could start by meditating, and inducing a lucid dream, I'm working on these two aswell.. Meditation is mostly for 'relaxing', adding 'routine' to my life, and LD well, I done it once and it is cool :p

I'm sure you know what lucid dreaming is, and meditation, else for an ld explanation/community (Dutch), check here:
http://www.ld4all.com/nl/

For myself, I find it easy to attain a meditative state while letting my mind focus on a certain, easy, repeatable process..

For example, moving my hands over each other, and focussing purely on that feeling (so I don't think anymore), and then eventually drift off, not even focussing on this feeling anymore, but on 'the nothing'

Or I close my eyes, and in my head, I think: on/off/on/off, and keep going like that, eventually I'm purely focused on that so I can 'drift off into nothing'

Not sure if meditation can lead to RV, it could be an 'unnessecairy pre-step'.. maybe it's like Angel says: removing background noise (which is what meditation does)

Angel, thank you for your extensive replies. You make it all sound so easy .

Angel wrote:

avoid alcohol altogether. just give it up
completely cut out red meat
cut fat intake to a minimum, preferably 0%, tho this is physically unhealthy
cut out all drugs, prescription and otherwise. (I find aspirin has no adverse effects and sometimes meta- sensing is painful)
cut out all "junk food," that is anything with lots of preservatives, additives, artificial colors and flavors, etc
eat only whole foods, favoring veggies, a little fruit, brown rice, whole grain bread, etc
avoid all caffeine (this falls under drugs, but some don't realize it)
use no sugar at all. the little bit of fructose in fruit is more than enough
stop watching the news (news does to the head what fat, sugar, and alcohol do to the biology), besides it's 80% garbage, 10% information, and 50% entertainment (the percents overlap)
Spend time every day doing sweet and such. otherwise internal chaos will interfere
avoid fights or anything provoking anger or strong emotion
sex is ok, but only if you have a truly loving partner. +99% of the time sexual interaction is violence
tobacco is ok, for some reason, but the additives in it are not. go for pure tobacco if you smoke.
exercise every day, at least stretching and a little cardio. good meta- in a weak physical is often weak meta-

that said, none of those things are truly necessary. they simply remove the noise and chaos from the system, increasing the signal to noise ratio.
the strongest meta- sensers will often eat lots of fat, smoke, drink, etc just to turn down some of the noise.

++ Angel

About half of that list would be easy for me to do (some of it I do already), the other half would be not so easy. Sweet is something that is taught by Elfpath, right? With your last sentence you answered a question of mine which I did not even know I had . Indeed, most of the (very) intuitive people I've seen or read about are not exactly ascetics. It never occurred to me that it was to turn down the noise. Now it is obvious to me, because that is also what I do, although probably not in the same degree.

Angel wrote:simple. and obvious. the same meta- senses that remote view are used. A piece of your awareness, your focus, your sense of self goes wherever you focus it. most people are sloppy and undisciplined, but with a bit of focused attention, anyone can do this. anyone with a bit of meta- awareness can feel your presence.
++ Angel

Understood. If anyone could do this, there would be no need anymore to travel anywhere physically; I could visit my family from my home .

Angel wrote:AT is either extremely easy (done in dreams, by pets, etc) when it's an innate skill or extremely complex. It's possible for some to learn it, but it can be quite difficult to master. I attended a course in the Berkeley Psychic Institute where the woman teaching said she regularly used it to watch the guy next door in the shower. If you can learn it, it's potentially fun, useful, even profitable. imagine the money you could make in corporate espionage. Or the white hat side, you could reveal the secrets of the "bad guys."

It seems there are a lot of ethical considerations to make if one has this skill. I see lots and lots of possible uses, but I don't know if I would be comfortable using astral travel to achieve worldly goals. It kind of feels like cheating to me. But then again, I wouldn't know what else to use it for anyway. It's nice to travel all over the world from your bed, but why stop there?

I've been told that all of the top businesspeople in the world take intuitive information very seriously. (I think they were being called "superstitious".) While that is probably a generalization, it certainly does not surprise me after reading what you've written.

@Maarten:
I do meditate, but not as often or as long as I should. I usually focus on my breath, thinking "in" and "out", which goes relatively well. But as soon as I quit thinking the words, other thoughts come drifting back.

Lucid dreaming is something I want to learn as well. I've been aware that I was dreaming once or twice, but I've never explored (or consciously created) a dream. The realization that I was dreaming woke me up.

It is not my goal to specifically learn RV (or AT for that matter). Yes, I would like having those skills someday, but they are not something I am aiming for.

Dennis